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  • Brandon 9:46 am on December 21, 2010 Permalink
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    Depends on your league rules, but if you’re in a keeper league, this is the time to be scooping up potential prospects for next season! Maybe Tim Tebow or Colt McCoy strike your fancy? Maybe you think the Raiders bring in a better quarterback and Jacoby Ford becomes a consistent fantasy force? Whatever your thoughts, make a move on the waiver wire this week before you lose your chance!

  • Matt 8:20 am on June 2, 2008 Permalink
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    Keeper league resources 

    Getting a fantasy football keeper league started is no trivial matter. For the most part, you’re going to have to live with the decisions you make before the first season for as long as the league lasts – which, if you do things right, could be an epically long time. The last thing you want is to be hearing the same old gripes from your league’s peanut gallery twenty years from now. Here’s a collection of resources from around the Web to help you get started the right way.

    • KFFL: What is a keeper league and why play? – Very detailed overview, covers the difference between keeper and dynasty leagues.
    • Here’s a nice collection of keeper league rules used by various leagues.
    • Our suggested ruleset for a standard keeper league. This is the setup that Brandon and I use in the league I commish. It’s a conservative, fair setup which rewards smart keeper decisions while still preventing any one team from achieving permanent crushing dominance. We allow each owner to keep up to three players from the previous season, as long as they were drafted after round 3.
    • Great Lakes Fantasy Football’s Guru Dynasty League – At the opposite end of the spectrum from the conservative keeper setup we prefer are dynasty leagues like this one, where you can keep your entire roster if you so choose.
    • Another dynasty option is going with an auction-based format like this one.
    • Looking for a fantasy football website that has built-in support for keeper leagues and will carry your data over from year to year? This is a good option if you’re willing to give up some flexibility in exchange for low maintenance. Sites that offer keeper support: CBS Sportsline, FleaFlicker, FanBall, FanStar, FantasyBowl, Homegrown Sports. I’ve tried the first two; the rest look OK to me. There are a lot more out there, but some of them look a little sketchy so I didn’t include them.
    • The Fantasy Football Times has a detailed article on starting a keeper league.
    • And then there’s Football Jabber’s obscenely detailed, twenty-step process for creating a dynasty league. And here I thought we were the geeks.
      • Mikes 8:53 pm on August 8, 2010 Permalink | Reply

        question for you guys. If i have 3 potential keepers in a 2 keeper league do i have the right to trade the rights to one of my keepers to someone else in my league for some changes in draft positions. My league is argueing about this right now what are your thoughts?

        • Matt 9:58 pm on August 8, 2010 Permalink | Reply

          My feeling on this is that your jurisdiction over the players on your roster from last year applies only to the players you select as your keepers. The rest of your former players are no longer yours in any sense.

          I think the fairest way to handle it is to declare these trades illegal this season and then decide now how you want to handle it next year.

    • Jason 10:34 am on June 6, 2008 Permalink | Reply

      Anyone have any suiggestions on expanding your keeper league. We have a pretty successful one going on (10 teams) and have a bunch of guys who want to join. We’re thinking of expanding the league to 12 teams but aren’t sure how to do the draft.

      Some background if it helps:
      As it stands, teams are allowed to keep two players, and they must forfeit the pick that the player was originally drafted. Each successive year you keep him, the cpmpensation moves up one round (so I drafted Joe Addai in the 7th round his rookie year, the first time I kept him, it cost me a 7th pick, keep him again and it costs a 6th).

      Also, we have the draft order ste up so that the teams that missed the playoffs go into a lottery for the top pick and then the rest of the order is filled out by W-L record.

      Any thought on how to add two teams and give them quality players without screwing over the current owners?

    • Matt 10:58 am on June 6, 2008 Permalink | Reply


      That’s an interesting problem. I’d probably just have them draft normally, without trying to do anything fancy with the keepers. They’ll be at a disadvantage, obviously, but only for one season, and since you just do two keepers, it’s not like they won’t have a shot.

      If you feel like it’s still too unbalanced because of situations like yours (getting to take Addai in the 5th round this season is friggin stellar), maybe you can say that they can keep 3 or 4 players in 2009.

    • Lee 5:48 pm on June 6, 2008 Permalink | Reply

      Jason we did this with a Dynasty League last year. One team made it to the playoffs and one ended up at the bottom so it’s possible…I’m thinking that the basics could be used for a Keeper as well, just adjust it to your keeper league. Possibly have the expansion draft before Keepers need to be declared so they have a chance to keep someone…don’t worry, you get a chance to protect your studs and you can tweek it to fit what you want to do.
      Hope you don’t mind if I drop the link here Matt Feel free to delete if you wish). It’s not as “Geeky” and lengthy as the Dynasty League stuff…lol.

    • Lee 5:49 pm on June 6, 2008 Permalink | Reply

      Looking at it you would want to adjust how many players you can protect to your league size. This is with a 26 man roster.

    • steve 12:55 pm on February 10, 2009 Permalink | Reply

      One year we went from 10 to 12 teams in a keeper league and gave the two new teams an extra pick at the end of rounds 2,4 and 6 in leiu of their 14,15, and 16 picks the team tat picked first after the second round went 2nd after rounds 4 and 6.
      They ended up 3rd and 5th in a twelve team league. I would say that’s pretty fair.

    • Blake Billings 7:22 pm on August 2, 2009 Permalink | Reply

      Will those websites you listed be good for a dynasty league also?

      • Matt 11:33 am on August 3, 2009 Permalink | Reply

        Some actually are specifically for dynasty leagues (like the 4th one down).

    • College Football 8:30 am on September 26, 2009 Permalink | Reply

      Thank you for this!

    • chris franzen 7:04 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink | Reply

      This is my first year as commissioner of a Keeper League. We are using the +2 format (if player is drafted in 3rd round and you keep him you give up your 1st round pick, etc). For players picked up off the waiver wire and kept we are saying they are 13th round picks (15th round is our last round +2).

      I have a moral dilemma: What do you guys think about “stashing” or “hoarding” IR players to be kept for next season? People have dropped Bowe because of his suspension and Ronnie Brown because he’s on IR. At what point should I say that they can’t be picked up and kept for next year? Or should I say all’s fair in love and fantasy football if the person that picks them up has the room to stash them on their bench? Please reply here or to [email protected]

    • shane 8:54 pm on January 13, 2010 Permalink | Reply

      Do you have any rules for a Basketball version of Dynasty? I have an auction format league which has been around for about 10 years, solid keeper system, and we are evaluating moving towards a dynasty format. We have instituted things like a luxury tax. Any thoughts?

    • Chris 10:52 am on May 4, 2010 Permalink | Reply

      Regarding the original question of adding teams to a keeper league, why not do it like a real league might handle an expansion? That is, you could either award the new teams “extra” (early) draft picks to make up for them not having any “keepers,” or let them draft at the top of each round. Another option might be to let existing teams keep only one player this year instead of two, then resume with two keepers next year.

      In another scenario (more complicated, but perhaps more interesting), all players are initially left unprotected. Then, when a player from an existing team is drafted (regardless of whetehr that would have been the existing league member’s keeper), they immediately get to “protect” a player, i.e., elect a keeper, still at the original draft round per your rules. Once that team has been touched, nobody else may select a player from that team until all teams have had a player picked. The exception is teams picking their own players from the previous year. In other words, if Team A had Drew Brees and Chris Johnson and Brees was picked by Team C, Team A could still pick Johnson. This would not count as keeping/protecting a player, but by the same token, if Team A had not had a player picked and chose one of its own players, Team A’s roster would still be exposed.

      At the end of round 1, if any existing teams have not had a player selected (unlikely), they could elect a keeper at that point. The 2nd round would proceed in the same manner, at which point all exisitng teams will have gotten their two keepers and the new teams will have at least had a fair shot at the top talents.

    • Joey 6:37 pm on June 28, 2010 Permalink | Reply

      Guys I am starting a keeper league (12 Teams) and I had drawn the 7th overall pick and have now traded my 3rd, 4th and 5th Rd Picks and have aquired the 3rd Overall pick as well. Looking for suggestions on who I should take at 3 and 7 if the draft goes this way….

      1. Aaron Rodgers
      2. Adrian Peterson
      4. Chris Johnson
      5. Drew Brees
      6. Ray Rice

      I have a feeling that is how it will go based on our scoring system and my knowledge of the guys I am playing with. QB’s are at most value but only by about a 100 total end of the year point total and WR are about 50 Less than RB. What are your suggestions?

      • Friday 6:34 pm on August 18, 2010 Permalink | Reply

        I would draft a Gore, Mendenhall, Charles, Fitz, Austin, DeSean Jackson with your first two picks then on the way back I would focus on McCoy, Moreno, Romo, White, Williams, Stewart…. just my opinion Gl

    • Friday 6:31 pm on August 18, 2010 Permalink | Reply

      Hey guys, I am in quite a little dilema and I was hoping for some advice if you could….. I am in a 10 person keeper league. I have to chose two keepers and my choices I have are, Fitzy, Austin, Schaub, Rice and Mendanhall. I am def keeping Rice but I am not sure who to keep after that. Also, with me havingthe 8th pick if I keep to backs should I go WR and QB or should I keep Schaub and RIce and draft a wideout and RB for my first two picks. Now mind you the people drafting after me already have QB;s… help I need it

    • Scott 6:40 pm on July 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      I’m starting a fantasy keeper league with 3 keepers. II just found your web site, but most of the links are gone. Was wondering if you had copies of any of the rules from above, like Here’s a nice collection of keeper league rules used by various leagues. anything would help thanks

  • Matt 11:29 am on March 24, 2008 Permalink
    Tags: , keeper rules, keepers   

    What's the best keeper-league ruleset? 

    Brandon and I are in a keeper league that got its start in the ’06 season. I’m the commish, and I’ve been pretty happy with the system we have in place for keepers. It’s relatively conservative, it’s fair, and it rewards good judgment on player potential while not going so far as to slam the door shut on teams who didn’t make the best keeper decisions the previous season. The system we use is after the jump, and after using it for two seasons, I feel comfortable recommending it.

    But that doesn’t mean I think it’s necessarily the best system in the world. I’d love to try something a little more extreme – something with few limits on how many players I can keep, and how long I can keep them. That, to me, would be the epitome of the keeper league concept. Really, I’m just curious to hear about any system you’ve tried and liked. If you’d be so kind as to share, please do so in the comments. (More …)

    • Doug Darroch 3:57 pm on April 23, 2008 Permalink | Reply

      Best keeper league strategy:

      In my opinion the 1st thing you have to do is go to an auction format. Then after the auction you can sign your players for 1, 2 or 3 years for the amount they went for in the auction (with a salary cap). This will take the level of strategy in your league to a whole new level. All of the elite players will be in the auction at least every few years, and most owners will be afraid to sign the players with a big contract for more than 1 year in case they’re a bust or have a major injury.

      • Mike Wells 11:04 pm on December 26, 2009 Permalink | Reply

        I would like to start a keeper league next season, but I would like some rules to start with. Can you email me your constitution?

    • TomBrooklyn 5:53 pm on November 22, 2008 Permalink | Reply

      How do you work it so the players loose their draft spots next year with an automated draft system like on ESPN?

    • Matt 7:00 pm on November 22, 2008 Permalink | Reply

      Tom – because our league has so many custom rules, we just do everything as an “offline draft” and enter the results into ESPN manually after it’s over. We use Google Spreadsheets to manage the draft – it’s got a cool feature where multiple people can view the speadsheet as it’s updated live by the commish. There’s also built-in chat, which is where people say who they’re picking.

    • TomBrooklyn 7:13 pm on November 23, 2008 Permalink | Reply

      Hi Matt,
      Thanks for the tip about Google spreadsheets. I didn’t know about that. Cheers.

    • Nick Butterfield 6:04 pm on November 10, 2009 Permalink | Reply

      (This might seem a little overboard, but our league is composed of lawyers and public policy majors, so bear with me)

      Rule 1: Each owner is allowed to keep a maximum of five players.

      Rule 2: Owners are not allowed to keep first or second round draft picks.

      Rule 3.1: If an owner decides to keep a player at the end of a year, he must forfeit his next year’s pick from the same round in which he obtained or retained the player at the beginning of the first year.

      Rule 3.2: An owner may keep the same player for a maximum of four consecutive times. However, he must continue to forfeit draft picks in the following sequence: first year – draft pick from the same round; second year – draft pick from the same round; third year – draft pick one round ahead of the round in which he obtained or retained the player at the beginning of the first year; fourth year – draft pick two rounds ahead of the round in which he obtained or retained the player at the beginning of the first year.

      Rule 3.3: A player may only be kept a total of 4 times in a row before returning to the draft pool. Changes of ownership of a particular player do not reset the keeper clock for that player.

      Rule 3.4: Drafted or retained players picked up on waivers during the course of the season may be kept, but the owner must forfeit a pick according to Rule 3.1, based on the player’s draft round (or retention round) at the beginning of that year. Undrafted players picked up on waivers during the course of the season may be kept according to Rule 3.1, with the initial cost of a second-to-last round draft pick.

      Rule 3.5: Should an owner choose to forfeit two or more picks from the same round, each pick shall be for the round preceding. For example, if an owner wants to keep three players at the cost of an eighth round pick each; he shall forfeit his eighth, seventh, and sixth round picks. In the unlikely scenario that there are not enough rounds to keep all the picks (such as if a player wants to keep four third round picks), a player can only retain as many players as he has appropriate picks.

      Rule 4.1: Draft order is determined by each team’s performance the previous year.

      Rule 4.2.1: The first 6 picks (teams that did not make the playoffs) will participate in the lottery to determine the order.

      Rule 4.2.2: The winner of the playoff consolation bracket earns a 15% entry in the draft lottery.

      Rule 4.2.3: The probability for the lottery teams to win the first pick selection will be the following: 14th place – 25%; 13th place – 15%; 12th place – 15%; 11th place – 12%; 10th place – 10%; 9th place – 8%; Winner of the playoff consolation bracket: 15%.

      Rule 4.3: The order of the final 7 picks will be determined in the order of how each team finished in the playoffs.

      Rule 4.4: Draft order will not mandate a certain pick. Rather, owners will choose which pick they have in the draft, in the order of the draft that has been determined by Rules 4.2 and 4.3.

      Rule 4.5: The draft will be in a serpentine (snake) format.

      Rule 5: Draft picks may be traded at the discretion of the owners.

      Rule 6.1: Keeper league rules may be amended, but only prior to each season’s fantasy draft.

      Rule 6.2: For an amendment to pass, it must win a 2/3 majority vote from the league.

      • Eric 6:39 pm on October 26, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        I like those rules Nick. Mind if I steal them?? haha

    • Dennis in WA 8:35 pm on March 10, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Going into second year of auction league with a full year salary cap – $1000 max. to spend at pre-season auction and free agents during season (blind bid auction). Keeper cap – first keeper year minimum $200, maximum $400, going up to $250/500 then $300/600 – that way folks who struggle first year can get top guys as they figure it out.

      The couple of quirks – we use IDP for one, but maybe the most interesting – though we have a max. total roster of 27, you can have as few as 18. The roster flexibility and full year salary cap give folks the option during the pre-season auction of spending almost all and filling up almost the whole roster or saving a chunk of change and a bunch of roster spots to try to fill up with in-season bargains.

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